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ok...so here I am, I believe I understand this panic disorder thing, the why's and what to do's and such. However, understanding and doing are worlds apart. My avoidance is travelling, sometimes just going down the road to the store causes anxiety and dread, knowing I'll have to "deal" with "those" feelings. I know the program says to do it anyway and after awhile it will get easier. Well shoot, I've been dealing with panic disoder on and off for 20 years. I have gone thru 2 self help programs, seen dr's, psychologists, psychiatrists, hypnotherapits, tried medication...and have gotten better for a year or two and then it all seems to come flooding back and puts me back to square one. Now I know that what this means is that I have not changed these anxiety habits completely and therefore I end up back to where I started, but frankly I'm tired of starting over and am tired of facing those fears and still not getting any relief. I want to travel, travel, travel and enjoy it, not dread it and feel miserable. I guess my question would be...How does one begin to face and do those things that frighten them the most? I'm having problems getting started. I want to drive to a city about 40 miles away and every weekend I come up with reasons not too, and it's because I'm still afraid of the anxiety. Anyone else out there had this problem? Any suggestions?
Thanks so much for listening...tass
 
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tass, someone that is uncomfortable with the store down the street and constantly considers going 40 miles away is sure to feel some anxiety!

This is what I have done, after 3 years of major avoidances...I let my world get alittle bigger in small steps. I could not walk into a small convenient store without feeling I would faint or die! So, I went to one every single day...and yes...I mean EVERY SINGLE DAY!! Then I started on a bigger drug store that always freaked me out and did that a few times a week. It is so cool to see progress! I needed hair color and my husband kept getting the wrong one..so he begged me to try and come with him...I did and it was a nightmare. I was able to get halfway down an isle and point to the brand..when he grabbed it, I ran for the door saying, "That is it, just buy it and HURRY!!" Now I go to that store and spend lots of time browsing and shopping. I can get my own things now!! YAY!!

THis little success led to others. I grocery shop, go to the mall....about halfway in (I am still a work in progress) and I do that once a week. At first I could barely walk in the door and stay 10 seconds. Now I shop at Wal-mart, K-mart and am comfortable 3/4 of the way back and I am hoping every soon to stand in the back of those gigantic, monster stores!!

When I got over the fact that "I wanted it all and I wanted it NOW!!", I was much better off. I haven't spent 20 years, but with that attitude, I was definitely working on it. You are approaching it all wrong..get the big, long distance trip off your mind for the moment. It is like only being able to lift 40 pounds and expecting yourself to lift 150! Just like weight training, you have to gradually work your way up.

I would also recommend walking for exercise, if you don't already. Go to a secluded place if you must..I went to a cemetary by my house..but I started with small circles and then started walking the whole place. It gave me great confidence to have some distance between me and my safeplace(my van) and I would look back and say, "Gee, the distance is even further then the back of the grocery store to the exit!!"

Take some pressure off yourself and start working on this avoidance..no excuses! The greatest thing..even when I am anxious and PMS'in...I can still get through these stores I have conquered..I can't tell you how wonderful that makes me feel.

The only way you ever have to start over is when you give up completely...I refused to do that this time around. If I have a bad experience and get more umcomfortable than usual at a store..I go right back in a few days. I used to let one bad time give me an excuse to decide I just wasn't ready...NOT NOW! Get some attitude and just strut your way right in..you can do this!! LOL
 
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Tass,

I suffered with avoidance as well and it's very difficult to overcome but YOU CAN DO IT.

The fear of panic is what feeds it and that's the reason why you can't rid yourself of it.

The goal should be to learn what panic is, why it happens, and trust that it's not going to hurt you. Once you ACCEPT your feelings of panic and anxiety and say "OK...I know what this is...it won't hurt me" and DO NOT LEAVE your situation but stay until those feelings are gone......
you will start to overcome this.

I can't tell you how important it is to FEEL THOSE FEELINGS and KNOW THEY WON"T HURT YOU. You can go anywhere and do anything and still be able to control yourself. Panic always hits a peak and then goes away. The most important skill is when you are somewhere and you feel
panic coming on....start talking to yourself with ACCEPTING words. Remind yourself that these feelings won't hurt you....THEY ARE DISTRESSING BUT NOT DANGEROUS!! And stay where you are and wait until the panic comes back down and you feel more comfortable.

This is hard but it works. It takes much determination and practice and the more you do it, the better you will see.

It's like you are having this body/mind conflict. Your mind knows the truth about panic but your body still feels it and you can't seem to understand how to get them to work together.

Well the answer is simple but the work IS NOT....

I have come a long way in this program and I would suggest that ANYTIME you feel the need to AVOID....then you GO AGAINST how you feel and DO IT ANYWAYS!!!!!

Positive self talk is important and you need to make it a habit. This along with DOING makes your mind/body connection...

But I will be honest.....It takes TIME!!
So be patient with yourself.

If I can do it then SO CAN YOU!!
 
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I am so sorry-I didn't even ask if you had the program.I assumed it and reading back through your post you didn't mention it specifically.Do you have the program? If you don't I recommend it.It is like no other program or therapy I've seen or participated in.It gets down to the dirt with anxiety.

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Gosh I love this forum...it makes me realize how common this condition actually is...and that in itself can be strangely comforting. I want to thank you all so much for responding and reinforcing what I already know, but as we all know...knowing and doing are so different. Your support and advice makes me all warm fuzzy...lol...I will definately be in touch. Once again, thanks so much for taking the time to respond.

Oh..I have another question...what is the coaching program?
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I don't know if I could say anymore than what MaggieMay or SMears haven't said already but perhaps if you see it or hear it enough there must be something to it.I first want to let you know that traveling was and is the biggest problem for me.I finished the program a few months ago.I was like you in that I was too scared of my symptoms and actually very tired of dealing with them(14yrs).I finally realized that I was giving them too much power.I went through the coaching program,my coach told me I have to want it enough.This was the second time I had heard this from the Center.Frankly and truthfully I got mad and upset but after I settled myself down and thought about it I knew they were right.I had to step through that door and do it anyways.I had to feel the fear and do it anyways.It took practice and some confidence building using the skills.You've put up with this stuff too long.You know too much,you are going to have to be truthful with yourself.YOU CAN DO IT.Take baby steps and be content that you are putting yourself out there.You are stronger than you ever thought you could be.I'm talking from experience.You need to set some goals and break them down in pieces or increments and dedicate yourself.You have trouble with change which most of us do because humans are habitual beings.You have to change your habits because the habits you have now are making you miserable.Get comfortable with change.It does bring on anxiety but you know that it's not going to hurt you.You've gone 20yrs and your anxiety has not hurt you.Accept those feelings and float with it, break away from those safety zones and know that you'll be okay.You have the skills,you have the knowledge.Don't dwell what has happened in the past,draw on what you know is true.Draw from the precious present moment.I have come a long way from where I was at.I even have started to ride with other people now comfortably.I went many years without riding with anyone.I travel comfortably on my own and I feel I could go anywhere.I changed and I don't give the anxiety the power like I used to.I don't have panic attacks anymore-it's a freeing feeling.I want you to feel the same.As you can tell I'm passionate about this topic which you have brought up.I honestly think you can do it.You deserve to be free from this miserable condition.I do suggest taking small steps.They're easier to work with.You need some confidence and some patience as you're practicing these skills.It does get easier the more you do it and even more easier when you don't give the negative thoughts the power.Be truthful to yourself.I wish you the best in your journey to rid yourself of this condition.You can be free too-I beleive you can do it.Keep in touch with us out in the forum.There is so much support out here and wonderful people giving it.It's helped me like no body could ever know.Best wishes.

 
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Yep, I have the program..have had it for 5 or so years...worked it when I first received it and felt better, then about 2 years ago...I had the same symptoms appear and I was back to square one...so now I'm working it again...what a vicious circle
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Originally posted by Oakey:
I am so sorry-I didn't even ask if you had the program.I assumed it and reading back through your post you didn't mention it specifically.Do you have the program? If you don't I recommend it.It is like no other program or therapy I've seen or participated in.It gets down to the dirt with anxiety.

 
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The coaching program is for those of us that need a little motivation.I've been through the program twice.The second time was with the coaching program and medication.The first time, which I decided to big and brave,I decided I wanted to do the program without medication.I had myself so I couldn't concetrate on the materials and I wasn't able to pick up on anything.I'm surrounded by negative people and I now see myself as the brave soul who chose to break the family cycle.I was really working on it alone the first time through,I had no support.I didn't know if I was doing things right so I decided to get into the coaching program.I needed motivation also.I didn't have a computer at the time so I missed out with having the forum.I'm making up for that now.I'm glad you felt a little better when you found people like yourself here.I know what you are talking about.The coaching program is a little expensive but it was worth it to me.You get a more personalized trip through the program and another workbook to work on.The coach calls once a week and you go over the materials and work on your trouble areas for the lesson of the week.The coach I had was a great coach and she was perfect for what I was going through.They at the Center try to match you up with a coach that had close to the problems that you do.The coaches have been through the program they are like you and me.It was a great experience for me.I got the coaching information out of the Less Stress Press through the center.You maybe can call the center if your intertested and the phone # for the coaching program was in the Less Stress Press also.Keep in touch and take care.

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I don't know if you're familiar with Joyce Meyer but I am listening to her series of Fear tapes. I had a friend send them to me because of my problem with anxiety. She is talking about a woman that couldn't do hardly anything and she got tired of being at home and afraid all the time. Her friend said to her, "Well can't you do it afraid?" I agree with everyone else here. Take those baby steps and keep moving forward. Joyce Meyer also said F.E.A.R. is False Evidence Appearing Real! Isn't that so true of this disorder! You have a lot of knowledge behind you and that is great. Maybe you just need a little refesher to start again. Good luck, doodles
 
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Doodles...I like Joyce Meyers!!

Keep us posted on how you like the tapes.
 
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BAby steps.

The program says to confront your fears, however it doesn't say jump in your car and take a five day trip right off the bat.

Today, it might be to drive to the library, get out of your car, go in one door and out the other. Tomorrow it might be the same except you stay 60 seconds before you leave.

This didn't happen overnight, even though since many of us remember the first panic attack we seem to think so. It didn't. A panic attack happened after many, many hints from our bodies that we needed to slow down and we didn't listen so our bodies finally did it for us (the secondary gain).

Anyway, take your list you wrote out, since you said you did the program, and take the easiest first and work from there.

I still haven't tackled all my problems, which traveling far distances is the last to go along with public speaking. Just last month I drove one hour to another town on the interstate and I drove 45 minutes to the airport. This is after doing the program over a year ago.

I think the biggest misunderstanding is that people think at the end of 16 weeks we are cured. WRONG. At the end of 16 weeks, if we did the program completely, (which I haven't met anyone who didn't pick and choose what to do the first time around), we are ready to start living life one baby step at a time and have the skills to make choices of what we want to do.

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Don't assume anything.
Always do your best!
 
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Doodles and Smears,

I really like Joyce Meyer too. I have a ton of her tapes, and listen to them all the time

kimba
 
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If you aren't doing the program it will be hard because the program helps us in an organized fashion. It would be real hard to tell you what I learned in a post. The program takes 16 weeks and many of us do it twice and some a third time.

It is hard work and well worth it.

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Don't take anything personally.
Always be impecable with your word.
Don't assume anything.
Always do your best!
 
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Thanks for the info on Joyce Meyer..problem is I can't find them anywhere. Where did your friend find them?
I don't know if you're familiar with Joyce Meyer but I am listening to her series of Fear tapes. I had a friend send them to me because of my problem with anxiety. She is talking about a woman that couldn't do hardly anything and she got tired of being at home and afraid all the time. Her friend said to her, "Well can't you do it afraid?" I agree with everyone else here. Take those baby steps and keep moving forward. Joyce Meyer also said F.E.A.R. is False Evidence Appearing Real! Isn't that so true of this disorder! You have a lot of knowledge behind you and that is great. Maybe you just need a little refesher to start again. Good luck, doodles
 
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tass,
click on this link and you will see many teaching tapes by Joyce Meyer. There are 180 to choose from.
http://www.joycemeyer.org/cgi-bin/msoft/mscart.cgi?lang=en&db_search_request_button=1&category=Teaching+Tapes&CARTID=CARTID226064&memberID=

Hope this helps.
 
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SMears,

I was wondering too where to find them.My curiosity rose when you mentioned the line for F.E.A.R. I remember Cayolyn used this in the Driving With Comfort tape.I know where she got it from now.It helped me tell the truth about some of the situations I was working on.I would like to hear some more of that wisdom. Thanks again.

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