If a person is a victim of an attack and has PTSD can they develope an obsessive compulsive disorder which includes lieing to someone. I read that victims of rape and other serious crimes are at high risk of develping a range of emotional disorders which inclues OCD.

I really need info on this. Can a victim suddenly start lieing?

Thank you.

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Victoria

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Hi Victoria, I don't know that much about OCD but refer you to the search engine www.google.com and once there initiate a search for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. There are pages of info there. I looked at a couple of them and they're very interesting. In one it stated that trauma can bring on OCD. It's even connected to tourette's which was interesting. I think Lucinda's son has that problem. I'm sure you'll find what you're searching for in those pages. Lois

Thanks Louis,
I'll look there right now. As usual, you are a wonderful help and source of where to go for info.

Wishing you an awesome day.
Victoria

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Victoria

Thank you Nothingtoworry,
I agree with what you wrote because I know I have it and it might come about as you describe. However, I also learned in my research that it can have something to do with seritone (sp) levels. And I did read under PTSD that it could bring on OCD which I'm seeing happening in other instances.

I will check out the site you suggest.
Take Care,
Victoria

Hi Victoria, For lying, you might want to return to google.com and do a search for Liars Disorder. I did that and came up with several pages of references that might be helpful to you. I just recently learned about google and it's a really good search engine. Good luck. Lois

Hi Lois,
Thanks, will take your suggestion.


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Victoria

Hi Victoria: I just went to google and looked for Lying Disorder and it seems that there are some additional sites there. It's worth a try. Lois

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Originally posted by Lois Gilbert:
Hi Victoria: I just went to google and looked for Lying Disorder and it seems that there are some additional sites there. It's worth a try. Lois

Good Morning Lois,
I looked there last night. And it might have been through that site that I found, at www.mhsancturary.com PTSD SANCTUARY volunteers that are willing to accept E-mails and help one.

As you know, I'm researching different trauma situations since I'm writing about them and have spoken to different individuals. In wanting to ascertain their reactions after different events I'm starting to piece together the puzzle. For one thing, not everyone will react the same way. That is, "there is not one 'standard pattern of reaction to the extreme stress of traumatic experiences." --www.apa.org/practice/traumaticstress.html

In the meantime through research and also looking up your suggested Liar Disorder topic, I'm coming up with an answer to this posted question.

THE ANSWER:
If a person is the victim of an traumatic event, accident, attack, molestation, rape or other, they may not have OCD and actually not have a problem with lying in the sence we would think of it. What appears to be lying is not that in the fullest sence. As in the case of rape, rape is sex or intercourse, but it is not fornication (therefore one is actually clean in God's eyes and in the nation of Isreal did not have to offer a sin offering). Molestation or any sexual abuse is not fornication. However, a person violated may be in such emtional pain that they will do one of two things, knowingly call it as it is or deny it to themselves for a brief period of time, perhaps due to the shock or trauma. If the man or woman, that was abused cannot find a helpful support to tell, such as a friend or family memember, than they might unload the burden in half truths to someone they know. Therefore, might say they had sex or intercourse without saying it was due to sexual abuse or rape. When sex is forced it is not fornication. The pain or guilt the one carries caused them to want to say tell someone but they cannot bring themselves to fully explain it. They may also fabricate (fragmented) untruths regarding the topic. They can't help it has that is how the mind responds. Some victims will actually lie about it or the events (as one victim e-mailed me) after because they are no longer the same person as the trauma has changed their lives or personality. Some will deny it actually happened. And in some instances a victim may have fragmented memories or believe something that actually never happened.

I think that if a person has a tragic car accident, perhaps the driver, in which someone is seriously injured or dies they might respond in a similar way. They might say half truths about the event because of fragmented memories, pain, guilt, denial or other. So, what may appear to be a lie may be as I explained and the only way they know how to cope until they get some therpy perhaps.

As with most all scenerios, these people need understanding and emotional support rather than (as in a case of abuse) someone such as authorities or family aluding that they are to blame or lying about it even happening.

I thank you and those that have replied here for your suggestions and in put and look forward to gaining insight from others.

In summary:
In the fullest sence of the meaning of the word, lie, they are not lying as we know it. It often is not a pattern therefore probably not OCD.(not saying that one cannot develope lying as a part of OCD). They are actually saying what there mind percieves to be truths although perhaps half truths due to the pain of being able to provide a complete revelation of events. It may not be until there is some sort of healing or fully opening up, down the road, that they will see things clearly as they truly are.

Thank You
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Victoria

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Dear Nothin2worry,
I'm just finishing off my book for Consumers and Contractors that's filled with interviews. It's a how to avoid problems or handle them. It has a lengthy chapter on handling consumer stress. When there are serious problems with a contractor there often is stress. And yes, even for the contractor with the property owner you can never please. LOL

This projected book about trauma's victims and their family/friends will take some time to compile. But I'm finding it very interesting as I learn that different people with different and similar circumstances will react differently. Also, through research I've learned that a person's practiced religious back ground, prior to a trauma, may have a lot to do with the way they react. Depending on the trauma it could cause one to feel mixed emotions such as guilt (although that's generally not rational) and shame (all thought not their fault) or denial.

I've learned that often either family or friends or other may not understand as they look for certain symptoms and can become judgemental which if comfronting the victim would make it like a secondary trauma. It's my opinion that that might be just as if not more painful for the victim. The victim needs to be shown love, empathy, compassion, understanding and helped to not feel like a victim. Rather, they are a survivor. If believed and with friends and family available even before any sort of trauma in their lives they would more readily approach an understanding friend or minister should something occur. I've learned that not telling family whether an accident, or physical attack, could be for one of two reasons. 1) Feeling that they would not be believed or blamed. Or 2) love for the family and not wanting to burden them thereby causing them emotional pain. However, if the survivor already had a trusted understanding morlestic non-judgement friend then he/she would possibly open up soon after the event. And if that were possible, might be less likely to produced fragmented truths or percieved lies.

Well, enough of my tiring chit chat.
Thanks for your reply.

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Victoria

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